I'd appreciate if 1, 2 and 3 explicitly stated the operations are happening in the source-git repository which may not be obvious to casual reader.

I'd say that having a branch for (every) upstream release is crucial here and that's how teams already work who use source-git style of work.

Just wondering what customization we want to enable because I presume the naming and branch hygiene would differ between projects.

I'd personally vote to make the naming completely up to users while providing best practices: basically enabling people to shoot themselves in their feet while giving them manual how not to do that :)

The same as Tomas's comment above - I'd explicitly state that this means source-git, because it took me quite a while to realize that distribution != dist-git

I'd say that having a branch for (every) upstream release is crucial here and that's how teams already work who use source-git style of work.

While this is common, this may not be optimal for every project. For instance, kernel has branches for every upstream base, but not specific stable releases. There is a fedora-5.11 branch which has included 5.11.0-5.11.20 and counting. We can do it this way because it ties in well with upstream and we rebase stable Fedora so that a single release is built across all stable Fedora releases. What happens for upstreams that do not release as often as kernel, and do not necessarily backport major changes within a release? You may have a 1.0 that was used for Fedora 32, another 1.0 which also contains a new feature from development and is only used on Fedora 33, and yet another which has everything from Fedora 33 and a couple more changes for Fedora 34 which were not backported to f33 or f32. In this case, having a 1.0 branch would make less sense than having fedora32 fedora33 and fedora34 branches. Every package should have some sort of convention here which is optimal for that package, and that should be documented within their repository, but should not be dictated by the SIG.

@jforbes thanks for providing the kernel context

I should have elaborated a bit more on my point. I see source-based maintenance being different than dist-git that one wants to track upstream releases and then decide where and how they land in actual downstream branches (as an example, here's how python-maint does it.). You are right this scheme si gonna vary between projects and packages: for some, it may as easy as having one branch for a major release and just sync it to as many downstream branches as possible. For others, it will be more complex.

This conversation just proves to me that we need to have the best practices documented and cover several common scenarios:

• release often, no backports (packit, cockpit)
• release often, with backports (kernel, systemd)
• release infrequently
• "sane default"

The suggestion:

"Rebase-proposal branches would be named as
- or(?)
--.
For example: f34-0000001 or f34-0000001-2.23.4.g1233."

makes sense as a way to have a way to do review of rebases, but unless I'm mis-reading it seems like the merges into loose history.

Consider initially we have an 'f34' branch with version 1.2 inherited from the 'f33' branch. We do a few more commits in 'f34', then we decide to rebase to 1.4.

So we create a f34-000001-1.4 branch to review a rebase to 1.4 This gets reviewed, approved, and force pushed into 'f34'.

This looses history of commits made between 'f33' and 'f34'.

We do a few more commits on 'f34' to fix issues with 1.4 and then we rebase to 1.6, via a f35-00002-1.6 branch which gets forced pushed into f34. This again looses hisory of the fixes
on 'f34' in between the 1.4 and 1.6 rebases.

The fact that the - branches are kept forever doesn't help us, because that only preserves the rebase commit, not the fixes made on in between rebases.

The only way to preserve history is if we never commit to branch at all. Only ever use the versioned branches - for all commits. src-git would not even need a branch - dist-git would always just sync from the latest -

In our CentOS Stream / RHEL maint work, we have a slightly different approach. All work is done on the branch. When time comes to rebase, the content of branch is copied into a new branch -. Now is force pushed with the new upstream content. This doesn't allow for review of the rebase force push though. If the rebase is complex enough, we do sometimes create - branch in a contributors' fork in order to do review, before it then gets force pushed. I'm not saying this a perfect workflow, but at least the history is always preserved

checkout -b is semi-deprecated, please use switch -c.

git checkout f34

git switch f34

git reset --hard f34-0000001-2.23.4.g1233 && git push --force-with-lease source-git f34

That seems very wrong. "History rewriting" is generally only OK when it stays in a local repo,
or when you have a very small group of people who are in constant communication and
can shout "rebasing now!" across the room (or do the IM equivalent). When you have a looser
group of committers, history rewrites become extremely confusing: local patches don't
apply anymore but you don't know where exactly to rebase, you refer to commits in other
places but they are gone, etc.

Then there's the problem that people who are not git experts (i.e. most people) tend
to lose work sooner or later when history rewriting and force pushes are employed.

Instead, a solution that preserves history should be found.
We want something like this:

git switch f34
git merge --strategy=theirs f34-0000001-2.23.4.g1233 -m 'Update to 2.23.4.g1233'

i.e. we generate a commit where the contents are taken exactly from their branch,
but history is preserved and the primary parent is the previous commit on f34.

Sadly, there is --strategy=ours, but no --strategy=theirs.

https://blog.holisticon.de/2021/03/git-merge-strategy-theirs/ suggests the following:

our=f34
their=f34-0000001-2.23.4.g1233
version=2.23.4.g1233
git checkout $our
COMMIT_ID=$(git commit-tree -p HEAD -p $their -m "Update to $version" $their^{tree})
git merge --ff-only $COMMIT_ID

Maybe we could convince git folks to add -s theirs, but even without that the workaround
is not too terrible. We could stash it in fedpkg.

With this, you can look at history and it is meaningful:

$ git diff HEAD~ '**.spec'

and so on.

Once that's in place, the whole procedure with accepting force-pushes when (conditions)
are not necessary anymore. The update is an ff merge.